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Shipley, Vaughn clash over vote on felons’ health insurance


Published September 27th, 2008 | 12 Comments


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Reporter’s note: This series examines claims made by Tennessee 2nd House District GOP challenger Tony Shipley in his race against incumbent Democratic state Rep. Nathan Vaughn.

First in a series

Tennessee 2nd House District GOP challenger Tony Shipley and Democratic incumbent state Rep. Nathan Vaughn of Kingsport are at odds regarding Vaughn’s vote on legislation that would have required lawmakers convicted of a felony to forfeit access to taxpayer-funded state health insurance.

Shipley, a Colonial Heights Republican, has a record of Vaughn taking part in a voice vote during an April 29 meeting of the House Calendar and Rules Committee to send the bill back to a closed Judiciary Committee instead of to a House floor vote.

“By saying nothing, essentially, is to support it (going back to the closed committee),” Shipley said of Vaughn’s action. “You had to express your discontent by saying I want my vote recorded as ‘no.’”

That record shows a vertical line — no check marks — going down the page on the side of those who voted “aye” to kill the bill.

But Vaughn insisted he supported the bill.

“We take tons of voice votes,” Vaughn said. “And rarely do we go ahead and ask to be recorded (as voting) in any particular way. Normally that is not part of the process. There are sometimes people who feel so strongly about something they basically say ‘I want to be recorded (as voting yes or no).’

“After I found out this was going to be politicized ... I went to the sponsor of this bill and asked him ‘I want you to sign a statement that I was not in favor of doing this, and I want it read into the record.’ I did not support sending this back to Judiciary.”

The bill emerged after the FBI’s landmark “Tennessee Waltz” bribery investigation that led to the convictions or guilty pleas of about a dozen state and local public officials, including former state Sen. John Ford, D-Memphis.

While the voice vote prevailed, five committee members requested to be recorded as voting “no,” including the bill’s sponsor, state Rep. Charles Curtiss, D-Sparta.

Another of those who asked to be recorded as voting against killing the bill was House GOP Leader Jason Mumpower of Bristol.

Mumpower, who is backing Shipley, needs four Republicans to pick up state representative seats so the GOP can become the majority political party in the House.

“I was so flabbergasted that he would vote to protect taxpayer-funded insurance for convicted felons that I took this (voting) sheet from the clerk and made a photocopy of it,” Mumpower said of Vaughn. “(Vaughn) is a six-year member (of the House). ... He knows how things work. He didn’t change his position until we called him on it.”

In a phone interview on Thursday, Curtiss backed Vaughn’s version of what happened.

“Nathan told me he was going to vote with me no matter what happened. ... If somebody said he wasn’t supporting me, they are badly misinformed,” Curtiss said.

When the committee debated the bill — but did not take a vote — on April 17, Vaughn told Curtiss: “If you are convicted of any felony ... that once you basically have been convicted at that point in time you would lose your health insurance. And if you had a chronic disease, heart disease or diabetes, you would then not only not be eligible for your state coverage, you would also not be eligible for COBRA, or be eligible for any other state benefits. ... It would wind up being a death sentence. ... The problem we have here in this country is we tie health benefits to employment. In every other country in the westernized world, they don’t tie health benefits to employment.”

This is how Mumpower interpreted Vaughn’s remarks: “He made an impassioned speech about how everybody deserves health care, even convicted felons.”

On April 29, Vaughn did not take part in the deliberations over the bill, according to the legislature’s Internet video of the committee meeting.

Curtiss argued in support of the bill and said he would amend it to leave convicted lawmakers’ family members in the state’s health insurance plan.

“In my mind we ought to be held to a higher standard,” he stressed before the committee vote.

The committee’s chairman, state Rep. Larry Miller, D-Memphis, moved to send the legislation back to the closed House committee.

Miller noted a monthly health insurance premium for a convicted lawmaker’s family would be about $1,200.

“That’s after an individual has paid into the system, and it only covers health,” Miller told the committee. “This could very well mean a death sentence for an individual who has paid into our plan for a number of years and all of a sudden it is taken away from him.”

State Rep. Tommie Brown, D-Chattanooga, appeared to be agonizing over her vote but pledged to vote with the majority.

“This has the appearance of giving special consideration to our own (lawmakers), and it just smells,” she said of the decision.

There are only four Republicans on the 25-member committee.

For more information go to www.legislature.state.tn.us and click on “Legislation. The bill’s number is HB 2568. To watch the video of the committee meeting, click on “House” and then “Video Streaming.”

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Youve posted nearly identical comments referencing this mail piece. I can imagine your presence at BMA meetings, or any civic function for that matter must be met with silent agony.

CommentEric Taylor | 10/24/2008 - 11:33 AM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

It seems a little ironic to me, that a Lawmaker can be a convicted felon. To me thats like having a sex offender teaching in our public school system. Okay lets be fair about this, most convicted felons can't even find a decent job anymore. Most are fired from their current jobs when they are convicted. Lets give these people a break, sooner or later we all will make at least one mistake. Some will be worst than others. I'm guilty. I make mistakes as you can see in my writing. I'm only human. And so are they. If we can't give these people a break. Ok lets get the felons out of public office.

CommentMark Conant | 10/1/2008 - 11:11 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

How do you "simulate opposition" without it being actual opposition? These comments might just be actual, individual thoughts. I completely agree with Tracy White. She gives excellent advice to follow as you evaluate any candidate for this election cycle. Being as educated as you can entering the polls is the key to a successful democracy.

CommentJordan Young | 9/29/2008 - 1:01 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

As. Mr. Brown noted in a related article, its becoming a bit obvious that the Shipley campaign is now simulating opposition to Mr. Vaughn in public forums such as this. Recycling tired campaign slogans, along with long-winded, irrelevant "talking points" is a sure fire way to turn off the average voter, though I'm quite certain Mr. Vaughn has the solid support of the majority of those he represents.

CommentEric Taylor | 9/29/2008 - 10:27 AM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

I watched the videos, and it is clear that Nathan Vaughn opposed this bill that would have prohibited convicted felon ex-legislators such as John Ford from receiving state-funded health insurance. Nathan spoke out against the bill saying the problem with health care in this country is that we tie health care to insurance. Apparently, this is a reference to Nathan Vaughn's support of socialized health care.

At no time did Nathan Vaughn speak in support of the bill nor did he object to it being killed by the Democrat leadership. Apparently, Nathan Vaughn has been in Nashville too long and is keeping company with the Memphis libera

CommentAndy Bozeman | 9/28/2008 - 11:45 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

Mumpower and Ramsey should keep themselves out of other district's campaigns. I understand that they feel a total devotion to a certain party for political gain/campaign fundraising, the constant meddling in all other district's election campaigns is, in the least, distracting. I want to hear what the candidates have to say for themselves, not listen to personal opinions of someone else, which is solely related to a "party" and the hope for future political progress.

CommentEric Taylor | 9/28/2008 - 11:17 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

Why should we spend $14,400 on health benefits for somebody who didn't have our best interests at heart to begin with? Why would Nathan Vaughn stand in the way of this? I'm puzzled.

CommentMargaret Harnsberger | 9/28/2008 - 10:39 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

I have met both Representative Nathan Vaughn, and Tony Shipley, and I know them both to be very compassionate and caring men. I think voters really need to think about what they want from their Representative, and their government. Do they want more taxes, and a more intrusive government? Do they want transparency? As an American voter, it?s your duty to do the research and connect the dots regarding a person?s voting record. Don?t just vote for the person that says what you want to hear. What if they don?t have a voting record? Then talk to them, but also look at their resume, and history in the community. I know Nathan Vaughn is accessible to his constituents and he is willing to answer questions regarding his voting record. Tony Shipley has a website with his contact information Tony Shipley.com so that you can speak with him 1:1, and evaluate his credentials. It?s your government. It?s your country. It?s your money. Take the time to make your vote count.

CommentTracy White | 9/28/2008 - 8:05 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

Having met both Representative Nathan Vaughn,and Tony Shipley, I know both men to be very compassionate caring men. However, I think at one point all voters need to ask themselves how do they feel regarding the issues of the day? For example, Do you want more taxes? Do you expect Government to solve all of your problems? Are you interested in a Government that's less intrusive? Do you expect your Elected officials to be honest? Do you want a Government that's transparent? Don't just vote for the person that's telling you what you want to hear. Connect the dots by looking at the person's record. Do your duty as an American and take the time to give the candidates a chance by looking more in depth regarding thier views on the issues. Tony Shipley.com provides a wealth of information regarding the current issues of the day and gives you his contact information so that you can speak to Tony 1:1 regarding his feelings on the issues. I know Nathan Vaughn is also very accessible and interested in sharing his views on the issues. Take the time to meet your Representative and the Candidates this election season. Get involved. This is your country, and it's your money Congress is spending.

CommentTracy White | 9/28/2008 - 7:51 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

Just think Nathan Vaughan what they would be saying if it were you that had an affair, instead of the bump in the road down in Rogersville. Thanks to 8 years of Bush and his boss Cheney we will probably be in a 1930's depression by this time next year no matter who gets elected.
Pete Lipps Colonial Heights

CommentErnest Lipps | 9/28/2008 - 9:13 AM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

Let me try to follow the logic of this: 1. Mr. Vaughn votes for Jimmy Naifeh;
2. Mr. Vaughn speaaks passionately against a bill that Mr. Naifeh wants "killed";
3. Mr. Vaughn does not vote = silence gives consent;
4. NOW Mr. Vaughn wants us to believe that he actually supports the bill? Something doesn't quite add up! This is back-pedaling at its best.
Bottom line: a vote for Jimmy Naifeh is a vote that creates trouble for a representative from Northeast Tennessee.

CommentPaul Becker | 9/28/2008 - 6:49 AM - (CommentSuggest Removal )

After taking a few moments, watching the video of Rep. Vaughn's comments (http://www.tonyshipleytn.com/subpages/campaign/vaughonhb2568.wmv), and reading an article about how Jimmy Naifeh backed killing the bill (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=59945), it is truly hard for me to believe that Rep. Vaughn was caught off guard as to how his "inaction" would be perceived. Surely it becomes painfully obvious to the reader that Rep. Vaughn was merely trying to cover his tracks after he admittedly found out it was going to be publicized. Our elected officials have to be held to a higher standard. Rep. Vaughn's fellow committee member should be commending for responding to Rep. Vaughn's incessant "death sentence" by trying to get him to see the light. Sadly, Rep. Vaughn fails to see the real issue here - elected officials that violate the public trust should be entitled to no frills, benefits or any other privileges from the people of this state.

Rep. Vaughn's passion that is clearly evident in this video is deeply troubling. He is flat out defending his convicted co-workers and whining about how it's not fair. It's pretty clear: don't break the law and it won't be a problem. It's hard to believe that after that tirade Rep. Vaughn would ask to be recorded as voting no.

Rest assured this one issue alone is enough for him to lose my vote. I am proud of Mr. Shipley and Rep. Mumpower for bringing this very important issue to light in the second district. Watch the video -- it speaks for itself.

CommentJordan Young | 9/27/2008 - 11:05 PM - (CommentSuggest Removal )
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